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Matthew B
Jul 31

New Player - Norm Glasses by Human Capable Inc

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So it seems there is a new competitor. Norm Glasses by Human Capable IncI

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1082773153/norm-glasses/description

They are definitely competitively priced and are very.. Very similar functionality wise compared to Shima. Although as most kickstarter projects, the shipping date of January 2020 is pretty optimistic, however they seem to have their tech figured out and for quite some time. They also have some videos of what the user sees through the display of their prototype, although they are not really showing the actual prototype they are using for it. Could be interesting to see how this unfolds. Perhaps this will encourage Laforge to realease some more functionality content? Hopeful thinking. I still think laforge will have the better product in the end, especially with the dual display eventually. Also this is yet another kickstarter project, so take everything with a grain of salt. That being said, it's a little discouraging to see other companies make such bold claims with earlier shipping dates and cheaper pricing. Don't let us down Laforge

Dan Guy
Jul 31

The shipping date seems optimistic, as you say. I'm a little dubious about the battery life given their claims as well, unless the shipped devices will be much bulkier.

The "Our Journey" section is riddled with grammatical errors, but I'm happy to overlook that with an international team.

I am at a loss to determine how the display works, especially given that they offer the option of allowing you to take the frames to your local LensCrafters to get prescription lenses. That's a far cry from LaForge embedded the display in the lens or North needing a 3D scan of your head in order to perfectly align a holographic foil on the lens onto which to project. There is no projector evident in any of their pictures, and the pics of abandoned displays did not enlighten me. All of their model pictures have tinted lenses, so I'm a little concerned that there's actually just a tiny screen behind one lens and that the clear lenses will make it obvious. Perhaps Corey, having been immersed in optics for so long, can make better sense of it.

 

Very interesting, and something to watch, but I need a lot more details before pledging.

Adam DB
Aug 1

This product does not look convincing. I agree with all of Dan's points: The deadline sounds optimistic to say the least, the lousy grammar indicates not a lot of effort was put into was is essentially the main presentation of their product, and most importantly they have not shown how the projection actually works. Overall I'm very doubtful about the validity of the product...

 

Just noticed that they can't seem to decide between the Wayfarer-clones they're presenting, or offering glasses with nose pads (FAQ #4). A bit late in the process to be changing the design radically!

Matthew B
Aug 1

I was able to dig into these a little further and ask some questions. Apparently there is a prism coming from the top of the frame and all the projection and display is handled within it, similar to Google glass. Hence why you can get prescription lenses installed on your own.

 

While they say the prisim is not in your line of sight, this does however, end up being a visible prisim to onlookers if you have clear lenses. So this means that people you are looking at will see the prism protruding from the top of the frame. This also brings into question how the user sees the projected image. Do they have to look up to see anything each time?

 

Not sure how I feel about this, I feel as though the "chip" in Laforge optics will blend in with your eye and be much less noticeable then a prism protruding from the top of your glasses. Also with the chip being in your line of sight, I'd like to think you'd see the images without altering your natural gaze.

Adam DB
Aug 1

A "prism" in the frame that you have to look into? Doesn't correspond well with their demonstration video... I'm leaning more towards some prism in the frame reflecting the image onto the glass/lenses; a cool concept if they could manage a properly reflecting coating, but I kind of doubt they've developed that sort of exclusive tech. I'll be happy to be proven wrong, but right now this seems like a dud...

Matthew B
Aug 1

@Adam DB You can see some better pictures of the prism in the following article.

 

https://next.reality.news/news/startup-human-capables-norm-glasses-ar-smartglasses-are-like-google-glass-regular-pair-shades-0202371/ As for having to look up into the prism, that's more of a question / assumption. As they stated it's not in your line of sight and the lenses are just standard non-prescription / prescription. So I'm curious to know how you will see the projection without altering your natural gaze.

Dan Guy
Aug 1

If this is essentially Google Glass but with the prism behind the lens rather than in front of it, that's interesting. Possibly even $300's worth of interesting. The videos make it appear that everything appears in the center of your vision, but based on the above link I expect it'll be in the upper right (as with Google Glass).

 

LaForge's tech is superior, but Norm might rival Focals given that it's half the price and doesn't require two trips on-site and then very narrow tolerances for where the glasses sit on your face -- if they are able to deliver what they've promised.

Mosea Manna
Sep 13

I say all of the below with love and agree on the grammar mess-ups. Makes it look so sketchy. They've also deviated so far from their demonstration video. Here's my take on them (warning, I make some points, but I'm very bias to Laforge):

 

I think it looks like complete garbage. It reminds me of knock off VR goggles made by chinese companies. Expecting to purchase one of these as a kickstarter or whatever and receive them would be wishful thinking. This is a project that is going to disappear within months when they run out of advertising money. Seriously, I've gotten the same Instagram advertisement for these glasses like 3 times. Anyways, let's take a look at what they expect to shove inside of this $4 pair of glasses they bought from Spencers. From the videos they've made, the glasses seem to have a display only on the top right w/a 20 degree FOV. Text looks super grainy and animations look like the CPU is having trouble processing it to be smooth, which would probably lead to battery life issues. I believe that the low-resolution screen they're tossing on it would show to be intrusive, sensitive, and not as normal/durable Laforge's. They also show a "1080P" camera and claim that they just need to retouch some settings and "everything will look better.". Image quality off the bat looks worse than a T-Mobile Sidekick camera, you can't edit that shit. This is going to be an incredibly low-grade product, and reminds me of all the knock-off VR goggles.

Video I'm talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpocTWQajtY

Look at how crap that screen looks. Even with more development, how are you supposed to read notifications off that? Here's how they show their customers a "working screen". They record this from outside to make people think the glasses are in one piece and ready to go. In reality, the video is probably just a lens, the screen, and all of the components are hanging on a thread nearby. https://v.kickstarter.com/1568410649_c0b8e89caa07908ec9ee74f7dfd14165a73e4753/assets/026/228/823/0844d92db7b53c962497b9e6aec52629_h264_high.mp4

 

https://v.kickstarter.com/1568410649_d2500f86fcb02c276bf0c34ba8fa64c4e413ca1c/assets/026/228/832/80286a45978334252be14b7d0ab5aa2f_h264_high.mp4

 

Here's some A+ advertising that they tried doing on reddit by spamming subreddits: https://www.reddit.com/r/augmentedreality/comments/9cbz78/killer_apps_for_smart_glasses/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SmartGlasses/comments/9cc5t8/acceptable_smart_glasses/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SmartGlasses/comments/9ccae2/acceptable_smart_glasses/

 

Every video of them showing off the screen doesn't include an image of the actual glasses as they are. Whenever the camera begins to pan out, the video just ends abruptly.

I'm going to rate them a F+ for now, but time will tell if they actually deliver a product that looks even remotely as to what was promised. They may have won some BS category at CES, but compared to Laforge, these are chum bucket glasses with low-tier tech. Laforge, please obliterate this company.

 

Mosea Manna
Sep 13

The only actual competition I see Laforge having is Focals by North. Nobody else.

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